…have you actually used Wayland? If you’re using Plasma or GNOME, its indistinguishable from X11 except it actually has a slightly more (inexplicable tbh) polished feel to it.
In what way? I’ve been using triple monitors for close to a decade now and my KDE switched from X11 to Wayland at some point without me noticing, so I’m wondering what I missed.
Ah, my monitors are all identical and stay plugged in all the time, so it’s a much less complicated use-case than yours.
I do have one issue where, because I picked the wrong 9070XT on launch day and couldn’t exchange it due to lack of availability, one of my monitors is on HDMI instead of DisplayPort and takes annoyingly longer to wake from sleep or change modes than the other two. But I think that’s more likely a hardware or driver problem than a Wayland one.
Something KDE has done seems to have resolved the issues I used to have with DPI related scaling problems in Wayland. Once Plasma 6 hit, it’s been nothing but rapid improvements with Wayland as a focus and man does it feel nice.
That said, there’s virtually no downside to still using X unless you have explicit display features you need from Wayland like HDR or the per-display scaling. Xfce is stupid lightweight and still my default for anything where battery life is a benefit.
I noticed the same thing with KDE and Wayland. Sometimes my curser still grows 10 sizes or shrinks as I pass over certain windows kr between monitors but things are more consistent and predictable than they used to be.
The fact that you’re comparing Wayland to XFCE tells us you’re not entirely sure what you’re doing. One is a compositor and the other is a desktop environment.
Your problems are with GNOME. I dont even think you could define what X11 and Wayland are based on your posts, much less articulate why one is better than the other
Start by reading about Wayland. Don’t make shit up and defend a position you can’t even articulate. It’s cringe.
I’m literally reading your posts and responding to your words.
The real issue is that even today, some apps (Firefox, gedit, some terminals) don’t adjust their scaling to the new screen
This shows you dont know what fractional scaling is otherwise you would have used the term.
I work in Linux as a daily driver for work and personal. I don’t care what the tools are, but they need to work and stay out of the way. Right now, Wayland implementation of multi monitor for my hardware is too much bother, I’ll try it again in a year.
This is you being stubborn because you’re justifying your inaction based on false manufactured premises.
I have no objections to Wayland itself, but I value the kind of stability xfce gives me, which is stable, predictable, and gets out of the way. Right now, on my hardware, Wayland/gnome is not there.
This shows you don’t understand what Wayland is because you compared a compositor protocol to a desktop environment.
Yeah I tried it, out of the gate my favourite WM - i3 isn’t supported.
I tried some of the other WMs, and they all kinda sucked imo.
I tried Gnome but it didn’t work for me when I tried using guake.
I also had issues with Spectacle on Plasma (captured area is just plain white).
In both - OBS didn’t work properly either (black screen with some capture methods, massive lag with others) and games were a bit laggy (stutters/frame time spikes).
Last one could be that Wayland doesn’t play nice with the proprietary Nvidia driver or that unlike with Xorg, Proton/SteamPlay dont support launching a gamescope nested session from a Wayland session (or didn’t back when I tried it) which usually ensures silky smooth performance.
I still bounce back to x11 over a handful of deal breaking issues I run in to every time I try. Screen shares are extremely low quality, barrier (vkvm software) crashes intermittently, and inevitably I run in to clipboard issues. After a couple of days I just want my computer to work again. I use Plasma
…have you actually used Wayland? If you’re using Plasma or GNOME, its indistinguishable from X11 except it actually has a slightly more (inexplicable tbh) polished feel to it.
This comment is incredibly misinformed
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In what way? I’ve been using triple monitors for close to a decade now and my KDE switched from X11 to Wayland at some point without me noticing, so I’m wondering what I missed.
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Ah, my monitors are all identical and stay plugged in all the time, so it’s a much less complicated use-case than yours.
I do have one issue where, because I picked the wrong 9070XT on launch day and couldn’t exchange it due to lack of availability, one of my monitors is on HDMI instead of DisplayPort and takes annoyingly longer to wake from sleep or change modes than the other two. But I think that’s more likely a hardware or driver problem than a Wayland one.
Something KDE has done seems to have resolved the issues I used to have with DPI related scaling problems in Wayland. Once Plasma 6 hit, it’s been nothing but rapid improvements with Wayland as a focus and man does it feel nice.
That said, there’s virtually no downside to still using X unless you have explicit display features you need from Wayland like HDR or the per-display scaling. Xfce is stupid lightweight and still my default for anything where battery life is a benefit.
I noticed the same thing with KDE and Wayland. Sometimes my curser still grows 10 sizes or shrinks as I pass over certain windows kr between monitors but things are more consistent and predictable than they used to be.
The fact that you’re comparing Wayland to XFCE tells us you’re not entirely sure what you’re doing. One is a compositor and the other is a desktop environment.
Your problems are with GNOME. I dont even think you could define what X11 and Wayland are based on your posts, much less articulate why one is better than the other
Start by reading about Wayland. Don’t make shit up and defend a position you can’t even articulate. It’s cringe.
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I’m literally reading your posts and responding to your words.
This shows you dont know what fractional scaling is otherwise you would have used the term.
This is you being stubborn because you’re justifying your inaction based on false manufactured premises.
This shows you don’t understand what Wayland is because you compared a compositor protocol to a desktop environment.
xfce isn’t a distro, it’s a desktop environment
very funny that you’re so aggro when you clearly have no fucking idea what you’re talking about
lol, they edited it
Really? I have two 4k monitors, one being 160hz and I find they’re handled way better by Wayland over X11. Even fractional scaling is perfect now
Yeah I tried it, out of the gate my favourite WM - i3 isn’t supported.
I tried some of the other WMs, and they all kinda sucked imo.
I tried Gnome but it didn’t work for me when I tried using guake.
I also had issues with Spectacle on Plasma (captured area is just plain white).
In both - OBS didn’t work properly either (black screen with some capture methods, massive lag with others) and games were a bit laggy (stutters/frame time spikes).
Last one could be that Wayland doesn’t play nice with the proprietary Nvidia driver or that unlike with Xorg, Proton/SteamPlay dont support launching a gamescope nested session from a Wayland session (or didn’t back when I tried it) which usually ensures silky smooth performance.
So yeah, this was a while back but.
i3 doesn’t work with Wayland because it’s an X11 WM… You wouldn’t complain about X11 because Sway doesn’t work on it.
Btw, Sway is a drop-in Wayland replacement for i3 if you want to move to Wayland. i3 configs work with Sway; it’s an i3 clone.
I still bounce back to x11 over a handful of deal breaking issues I run in to every time I try. Screen shares are extremely low quality, barrier (vkvm software) crashes intermittently, and inevitably I run in to clipboard issues. After a couple of days I just want my computer to work again. I use Plasma