Listen: Theft is a legal term, just like copyright. When someone steals something (theft), the owner of that thing doesn’t have it anymore. When someone violates copyright the owner still has the thing and can continue to make as many copies of it as they like.
In the 80s, 90s, and 2000s the RIAA and MPAA had vast marketing campaigns trying to re-brand copyright violation as “theft”. Copyright existed for centuries before Congress decided to pass The Sound Recording Act of 1971 and the Copyright Act of 1976 which was the first time (ever) that copying something without permission could be prosecuted as a criminal offense (instead of civil).
The “Piracy is Theft” thing is literally from one of their advertising campaigns! They invented it and it’s nothing but pro-corporate propaganda. Do not think for one second that anyone stands to lose significant amounts of money from piracy other than corporations and even that’s debatable.
Piracy is almost always a service problem and not a pricing problem. -Gabe Newell, founder of Valve Software (Steam)
Individuals have been copying stuff since forever and nobody cared until some bean counter invented the disproven concept of “one pirated thing == one lost sale.” We all know that’s not how it works! That entire concept is another form of “Hollywood Accounting”:
Yeah, if I physically stole the artwork, then yes? That’s stealing. Let’s cover all the bases, though, shall we?
If I took a picture of some art, is that stealing? No. That’s not illegal anywhere.
If I then shared that picture with a friend? No. That doesn’t count as a “public performance” or “public display” of the work.
If I then shared that picture with the Internet at large? Yes, that’s copyright infringement—every time someone downloaded it, that counts as one violation. Specifically, derivative copyright infringement (which is a whole world of law in itself).
Aside: The RIAA argued in court that merely placing one of their copyrighted movies/songs on the Internet counted as distributing their work to the entire world’s (Internet) population and therefore, the defendant should be held liable for billions of copyright violations for each work they merely made available (who cares about the actual number of downloads, right? LOL). THEY ASKED FOR $72 TRILLION IN DAMAGES:
Saying “piracy is theft” is playing right into their hands. Unless you’re a paid corporate shill/bot, you shouldn’t be making arguments on their behalf. At this point you should be asking yourself, “Are we the baddies?”
I’m talking about stealing the IP by using a copy or using the IP in any way. Not necessarily physical object. Your examples doesn’t make sense, because I said if you use it in ways you have no rights. You listed examples where the user has the rights to (the ones with photo).
I am also not talking about piracy. That’s way broader and different topic.
I have no idea what you’re even talking about. The only way possible to “steal IP” is to break into someone’s office/home/whatever and physically take it away. The only copy of that thing that exists.
As said, I’m not talking about transfer of ownership of a specific copy. … Am I talking Japanese? In digital the term “copy” is not hard to understand.
Listen: Theft is a legal term, just like copyright. When someone steals something (theft), the owner of that thing doesn’t have it anymore. When someone violates copyright the owner still has the thing and can continue to make as many copies of it as they like.
In the 80s, 90s, and 2000s the RIAA and MPAA had vast marketing campaigns trying to re-brand copyright violation as “theft”. Copyright existed for centuries before Congress decided to pass The Sound Recording Act of 1971 and the Copyright Act of 1976 which was the first time (ever) that copying something without permission could be prosecuted as a criminal offense (instead of civil).
The “Piracy is Theft” thing is literally from one of their advertising campaigns! They invented it and it’s nothing but pro-corporate propaganda. Do not think for one second that anyone stands to lose significant amounts of money from piracy other than corporations and even that’s debatable.
Individuals have been copying stuff since forever and nobody cared until some bean counter invented the disproven concept of “one pirated thing == one lost sale.” We all know that’s not how it works! That entire concept is another form of “Hollywood Accounting”:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hollywood_accounting
So no. Fuck no. It’s not “splitting hairs.”
If you steal an art and use it in ways you have no rights to, then it is theft.
Yeah, if I physically stole the artwork, then yes? That’s stealing. Let’s cover all the bases, though, shall we?
If I took a picture of some art, is that stealing? No. That’s not illegal anywhere.
If I then shared that picture with a friend? No. That doesn’t count as a “public performance” or “public display” of the work.
If I then shared that picture with the Internet at large? Yes, that’s copyright infringement—every time someone downloaded it, that counts as one violation. Specifically, derivative copyright infringement (which is a whole world of law in itself).
Aside: The RIAA argued in court that merely placing one of their copyrighted movies/songs on the Internet counted as distributing their work to the entire world’s (Internet) population and therefore, the defendant should be held liable for billions of copyright violations for each work they merely made available (who cares about the actual number of downloads, right? LOL). THEY ASKED FOR $72 TRILLION IN DAMAGES:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2012/05/24/the-riaa-do-not-believe-a-word-they-say-ever-for-theyre-claiming-72-trillion-in-damages/
Saying “piracy is theft” is playing right into their hands. Unless you’re a paid corporate shill/bot, you shouldn’t be making arguments on their behalf. At this point you should be asking yourself, “Are we the baddies?”
I’m talking about stealing the IP by using a copy or using the IP in any way. Not necessarily physical object. Your examples doesn’t make sense, because I said if you use it in ways you have no rights. You listed examples where the user has the rights to (the ones with photo).
I am also not talking about piracy. That’s way broader and different topic.
I have no idea what you’re even talking about. The only way possible to “steal IP” is to break into someone’s office/home/whatever and physically take it away. The only copy of that thing that exists.
As said, I’m not talking about transfer of ownership of a specific copy. … Am I talking Japanese? In digital the term “copy” is not hard to understand.
You’ve long since lost the plot and are now just trolling. It’s patently obvious you don’t know what you’re talking about.
Copyright infringement and steal. No trolling. Simple English, no Japanese.
You know your argument is so weak that you feel you can’t make it without redefining a centuries old term.
If art only has monetary value, its not art, just a product.
Wrong. Art can have monetary value and be sold.
It can be. But if thats the only thing that has value, it is not art.
That makes no sense. If you don’t talk about art, then it is not art. wtf