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      • hirihit640@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
        42·
        7 days ago

        Why not ban person A? Being a nazi is a rule violation, but reporting people by barging in on unrelated threads (instead of simply contacting the mods) is also a rule violation.

        Somebody else can report the nazi via proper channels, and person A learns the proper way to report people.

        • hirihit640@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
          74·
          7 days ago

          defeats the point of a CoC (making sure everyone feels safe, particularly minorities who are targeted by fascism)

          I’d argue that if we normalize people barging into random threads and accusing others of facism, that would make everybody feel unsafe. Remember that once you normalize this behavior, the fascists can use it too.

          … ends up creating a scandal …Very visibly, I might add.

          The person who barged in making public accusations, is the one that created a visible scandal. That’s why there’s a proper channel for reports. Precisely to prevent this sort of mess.

            • hirihit640@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
              2·
              7 days ago

              Just removing the post without any punishment to the user, just means the user can do it again.

              A ban is fairly harsh I admit, but usually bans only happen for repeat offenders. I don’t know the full context here.

          • mnemonicmonkeys@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
            2·
            7 days ago

            Remember that once you normalize this behavior, the fascists can use it too.

            The fascists don’t care. They’ll work to normalize whatever they want regardless

            • Kangae_Hishiryo@scribe.disroot.org
              41·
              7 days ago

              Yeah. The point is that it can be a slippery slope. Everybody (myself included, I have to be honest bcs well, I’m a very stupid human after all) will be calling anything we don’t like something fascist, thus making it a worthless term. That’s what actual fascism want.

              Thus, we should be way more careful with the use of that word.

              • WarmApplePieShrek@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
                1·
                17 hours ago

                Did you know that “fascist” has a meaning?

                You are saying: “I don’t want to call people racist, because what if it turns into a slippery slope and everyone is called a racist? That’s what racists want.”

                • Kangae_Hishiryo@scribe.disroot.org
                  1·
                  12 hours ago

                  Yeah, it has a meaning, but what I mean is something that actually happens: people often make equivocal fallacies, such as the reductio ad Hitlerum of the reductio ad Stalinum to say “hey, this worker union is fascist because it makes me earn one less penny” even if that’s what not fascism means. Also happens with racism, so your example only makes my point stronger. A lot of KKK are like “NoOOOooOo, but these black bastards are being racist to me because they don’t want me to kill them!”. Just the same. They’re using an equivocal fallacy so they can pass their Troy Horse through.

    • Snot Flickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
      231·
      7 days ago

      Bringing an on-going discussion from outside into a thread with which it bore no relationship, The correct way to proceed is to alert mods, sysadmins or another participant in the discussion privately. What happened is akin to someone walking into a restaurant and seemingly randomly punching another patron. They’re going to get thrown out.

      Damn what a completely out of touch response. Many people point out that this was basically a badly handled abuse report that a user brought to a main thread instead of reporting, however that does not and never did justify the original and continued ban of the first person to report on it.

      I am especially galled by the “and ad hominem attacks on another user (even if it turned out they deserved it).” bit. Dude, maybe someone’s motivations matter. Acting like attacking someone’s motivations are always out of place is part of what lets this kind of shit fester and grow. Everyone has motivations, and a lot of people’s motivations are deeply unsavory.

      Bruh my Kubuntu minimal install. Welp. *sigh que sera sera, we all move on sometime.