How is that an obvious databreach? It was just bot spam, something every single public site has had issues with.

Thats all fair, I’m not trying to say their a better option for you or developers in general, just that they do offer features and benefits targeted at developers. I disagree with the idea that theyre only made for users with very simple needs.

Ive never run into any issues trying to build random projects or run random tools is distrobox, but I also haven’t used it as a main development tool. I prefer Nix for that.

Those tools are definitely great too, they just don’t offer the same purity because they dont handle external dependencies. Guaranteeing a reproducible build environment is something I find very valuable.

I think most users just don’t really know much about atomic distros. A lot of people in this thread don’t seem to really understand the benefits and mention downsides that don’t really exist in most of them. I think eventually (and by that I mean in a VERY long time) atomic distros will become the standard. AerynOS is an upcoming one that seems to have a really amazing blend of it’s atomic features without disrupting the user experience people expect from more typical distros. It won’t replace Nix for me, but I hope it’ll convince a lot of people to try it out.

I don’t think that’s a very accurate assessment at all. NixOS, VanillaOS, and Bluefin are three of the first atomic distro’s I think of and they’re all heavily aimed at developers. All of them offer features to help separate development environments, which improve reproducibility of packages and environments. I prefer the Nix approach to containers, but each one definitely offers benefits for software development.

I do software development and need a ton of tools installed that aren’t just “flatpaks”.

Every atomic distro supports distrobox and other containerization tools, and many support Nix and brew.

These distros are good for people who want to treat their desktop like a phone, but flatpak kinda lets you do that on any distro. Atomic distros are great for those who want to use tools to separate development environments for purity and tinker with the ability to easily rollback.

Atomic distros dont stop you from breaking them, they just make it easy to undo breakage

It looks like this works by following accessibility standards. I’m not sure if an accessibility standard for input fields on Linux, but if it does it should be possible.

Wayland supports global shortcuts using the global shortcuts portal, so it should be possible. There’s an app called espanso that automatically expands text on Wayland, I imagine similar methods could be used for this.

Fair enough, I haven’t worked in an industry with requirements like that. Can you share an example of software you would use for a setup like that? I’m interested in learning more about it. I wonder how many companies are currently using a solution like that with Linux.

Wayland itself isn’t doing anything to prevent those solutions from working, but nobody has chosen to create a solution like that supporting Wayland. If the companies working on and funding Wayland need a solution like that, then they can make or fund it.

Right now, Wayland is good enough to be used on employee workstations for most peoples day to day work, because most people dont work at a company using a solution like you described.

After 15 years, Wayland is lacking some things X11 has, but has also far surpassed it in many ways. Linux is now usable on HiDPI and has proper color management. Companies like Redhat aren’t picking features at random, they’re prioritizing what their biggest customers need, because thats what makes money. Again, just to reiterate, Wayland supports the usecases you’ve described, but companies haven’t made software for this usecases that works with Wayland.

Wayland may not be a better replacement for you, but is sure is for a ton of users and organizations.

Rustdesk is an alright remote desktop option, although it definitely far from perfect. Wayland offers the support remote desktop needs, this is just up to someone wanting a solution enough to make it.

I agree that the “every frame being perfect” thing was dumb, but tearing support exists so its not really a complaint anymore.

Nvidia does work fine on every major Wayland implementation.

Screensharing works fine.

I understand the disappointment in how long Wayland is taking to be a perfect replacement to X11, but a proper replacement should absolutely not be rushed. X11 released 40 years ago, 15 years to make a replacement with better security and more features is fine.

Wayland has put a huge emphasis on improved security, which is also one of the biggest reasons some features have taken so long. This is a good thing, rushing insecure implementations of features is a horrible idea for modern software that will hopefully last a long time.

In its current state, Wayland is already good for the large majority of use cases.

What issues do half of your X11 apps? Ive never had an issue with an X11 app running through Xwayland, although I also dont have many X11 apps left.

Plasma and Hyprland already have one

Things like desktop automation, screen sharing, screen recording, remote desktop etc. are incredibly broken, with no hope in sight because the core design of Wayland simply didn’t account for them(!?), apparently.

All of those things function on Wayland using the right protocols. If they dont work for you, either the DE/WM you use has not implemented the protocols, or the app you’re using has chosen not to implement Wayland support yet.

For automation there is ydotool and wlrctl. Ive also seen a tool called Hawck which seems neat, but I haven’t tried it.

I’ve never seen an issue with screen recording, OBS has worked fine with Wayland for a long time. I use GPU Screen Recorder on Wayland everyday.

Screensharing portals have existed for a while now, I haven’t run into any apps that still haven’t implemented them. Ive used it just fine on Discord and through multiple browsers.

Remote desktop also has a portal that any remote desktop app could implement. Rustdesk has experimental Wayland support which has worked for me. GNOME and Plasma also have built in RDP.

I’ve met many neurodivergent trans puppygirls in the FOSS world, but the job history is definitely weird.

there is no server component running

What the hell are you talking about? Just look at the Dockerfile.

CMD [“node”, “server.js”]

You think that line isn’t running a server?

Thr repo makes it very obvious that it runs a server that the webgui connects to. Its fine if you dont know shit but dont be a dick while being stupid.

The most important parts are at the end of the CPU and GPU performance sections. They performed the same across all desktops. On most modern systems the desktop you use is not going to have any significant impact on your performance, when software you’re running requires resources, they will be directed towards it.

Also, low RAM usage is massively overrated, especially by Linux users. Your RAM is there to be used, leaving it unused is a waste. It is good for your desktop to be caching a lot of data in RAM when it is otherwise unused. It’s only an issue if its still utilizing an excessive amount of RAM when other apps need it more.

You’re a fucking weirdo

Works fine for me, I’ve used it with both Nvidia and AMD.

The fuck? There is nothing sexual about the character at all. Calling it pedophilic says a whole lot more about you than the software.

Or they’re just adding improvements to the software they heavily rely on.

I don’t trust or like Microsoft, but the likelihood of there being malicious intentions in this is incredibly low. Just imagine the fallout if Microsoft tried to sabotage the kernel.

Genuinely what negative ramifications could come of uutils being MIT licensed? The kernel license isn’t going to change and I really don’t see how companies can abuse uutils for a profit.