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  • Because it was not always the case that sysvinit was supported - things were sorta “accidentally hazy” for a while. There was a time (I think during Debian 9 and 10) that systemd not only was the default, but was also enforcedly linked against a large part of the stack (you couldn’t have a desktop environment, PulseAudio or NetworkManager without systemd, for example).

    This led to the rise of projects like Devuan, that provide a working system that installs without systemd by default; Antix’s nosystemd repo, which allows to install components of the Debian stack without the enforced systemd dependency; and later libam-elogind-compat which aided shimming some of systemd’s requirements under elogind.

    Nowadays at least, the only hard part of not using systemd in Debian is 1.- switching (from or to) seems to require rescue mode and 2.- you lose some of the container management goodies (for eg.: Podman services).


  • None. On Alpine you can only use OpenRC and on Debian you can only use systemd. Most distros don’t let you change out the init system. If you want systemdless Debian look into Devuan.

    Fake news. On Debian you can use both sysvinit and openrc (I have six servers on sysvinit, tho I do actually intend to shift them to systemd later mostly because of the container management goodies).

    Judging from this post, I would say you should not be looking to change out your init system

    Mostly agreeing here. For selfhosting the init system matters barely any, since past the default distro setup one would be doing most of everything with Docker, Podman, etc. At that point, none of the usual Linux religious wars matter much (you can perfectl edit a compose file with nano).













  • Why do I feel like narrowing down the options would not be that bad?

    Perhaps because you miss Microsoft or Apple? In a rather misdirected way?

    Half the point is there are multiple ways to do things - and mind, Windows is like that too (you can get to some settings though the new Control Panel, the old Control Panel, the Regedit, the Powershell…). Just about the only thing in Windows you are forced only one vision of is the desktop itself, but as soon as you double-click an icon, all bets are off.

    Also if what you want is getting behind “tried and tested, universally accepted technologies”… that’s what sysvinit, ALSA, X11 and automake / build-essentials; no need for systemd, Pulseaudio, Wayland and Snaps. Pulseaudio was basically a stillborn deformed baby whereas I’ve never seen ALSA fail since 2002 (to the point even today I have to “fix” Flatpak not having audio on Pipewire unless Pulseaudio sits behind it by just seating both of them behind ALSA). I don’t even have to begin on Wayland, it started as just vaporware; Systemd is largely an attempt to microsoft-ize Linux system management; and Snaps make me want to snap.

    As for newbies… others have addressed the point but honestly, if someone gets scared and whiny at the “choose your starter” screen of the game, they’re not gonna last any in a Pokémon game nor would I want them around whining about things they couldn’t even be bothered to be here for.