Are there any comparisons of init systems that focus daily use metrics? Stuff like what writing scripts looks like and boot times and logging capabilities? (And any other use cases that are common)

  • Tobias Hunger@programming.dev
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    12 hours ago

    How does systemd dare to provide useful functionality? It should be just as useless as all the other inits that nobody ever felt the need to depend on, simply because they do nothing interesting.

    You can just build a way more functional and secure system with all the cool features systemd provides.

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      3 hours ago

      Most of its functionality is just reimplementing things that already existed, with an incompatible interface.

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        1 hour ago

        There are significant security/reliability improvements all over the place. E…g. logind actually works as promissed, which none of the clones do as they can not have the necessary infrastructure that is provided by other parts of systemd. Or udev using systemd-pid1 to start services: That fixes a well documented problem with udev starting services itself – which most non-systemd distributions do till today. Problems do notngo away by ignoring them.

        Checkout non-systemd distros, most of them still use group based access to devices a user needs to run wayland. Of course that does not matter at all for X11, security is so poor there anyway.

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          19 minutes ago

          Yeah, but things like human readable logs are almost all gone because of journalctl changes that went into the systemd ecosystem without anyone really running by folks who look at logs everyday.

          It’s not the functionality of systemd I don’t like, it’s the Poettering way of just making changes to stuff without bothering to learn how any of the rest of us professionally use things.